How long before we run out of soapboxes? Can we please skip this part of the fire please?
Well said ; I just hope there is some good to come from this catastrophe
as in learn to better manage the forest to protect the watershed and slow
the inevitable future fires with thinning and yes clear cuts ! And maybe
more and wider road access .
I hope the approach will be balanced. I have seen many fingers being pointed, heck I've pointed some myself, but from what I've read from some experts it appears that many things were at fault including logging and tree hugging. I think we need to learn that moderation in all things is the best approach.
below the Old Wards Ferry Bridge one can witness the sedimentation/debris build up after the Complex Fire,some places it is several feet deep....one can only imagine what this fire will add to it.Also many dont realize that The Complex Fire Burned so hot(like this one)that it damaged the soil.For one it turned the selenium that is in the soil and crucial for deer into a non digestible form,and obviously the deer are suffering from a lack of it
Sounds good, but the U.S. Forest Service, the tree hugging liberals, save the frog people, and the Obama Admin are all in the way. Very uphill battle, I am all for it. Good Luck.
CLEAR CUT that's the answer!!, Because if there is no forest there can be NO forest fires. Fire is a natural process and renews the forest. What is not natural is a large population of humans living amongst the trees.I don't want our National Forests to be plantations for the harvest of wood for export overseas. There are things we can do to mitigate the impact of fire on our communities without clear cutting!
Seems like all the forest service wants to do is spend money on rocks and gates to keep us out of our forests. I am sure keeping 4x4s and dirt bikes out really prevented erosion. Can we stop the off road witch hunt now and spend our forest money on something good like thinning the forests. Heck just open the gates and us off roaders will thin it out for ya.
There has been the loss of peoples livelihood from the burning of pasture land and the killing of cattle. We ranchers were shocked to find that we were not able to rescue our cattle after being told that if we arrived at a certain time and date we could remove our cattle. When we got there, the pasture had been back burned and the cattle killed. This is an extreme lack of consideration and compassion for us ranchers.
1. Logging roads allow crews to REACH the fires.
2. Responsible logging (tree huggers live in houses, but hate logging) clears the forest of undergrowth and allows primary growth trees vs secondary growth.
3. Tree huggers don't hug trees; they are too busy venting their spleen at us MEAN people who won't follow them blindly.
4. Smokey the Bear did more harm than good in the 80's. (you would THINK the dept of forestry would have someone...
5. to fix this problem..we NEED to have loggers logging.
Thank you Supervisor Royce for expressing two important points. 1) Politics needs to be left out of this, and 2) we need to have a long-term restoration plan.
I would invite all parties that are interested in helping us achieve a successful restoration plan to join us in the Tuolumne and Mariposa County Phoenix Project on Facebook. We need community input and participation for the many phases of the long process of restoration. We can accomplish our objectives if we leave the finger-pointing and name-calling behind and instead use solid scientific research on sound forest management practices. It will require cooperation and compromise from all parties to ensure that timber, water, recreation, and wild habitat for wildlife coexist in the long-term.
Lets see if memory serves, forest service salvage sales put money directly into our local schools???They have no had a salvage program for years, maybe they can do something right for a change and sell the billion board feet of dead timber and help our local schools too!! I BET AGAINST COMMON SENSE WITH THESE IDIOTS
If the solid scientific research would have been used in the past we would not have the fires. With or without finger pointing it is still national forest and the federal government controls it. They however do not do their job very well. The fire could have been stopped early on if all agencies that were nearby were allowed to fight it hard and heavy but the U.S. forest service would not allow it.
Our tree-hugging friends have sued the USFS every time they try to prepare a sale in the forest. They sue every time the permits come up for the ranchers to graze the cattle in the high country, they even burn down privately owned cabins on private land in the forest to drive them out. They forced the USFS to tare down many old historical lodges through out the Sierra Nevada over the past 50 years because they want the forest to be pristine. Well I guess the achieved it.
Mr. White, as much as I appreciate your Phoenix Project concept it won't make one bit of difference what "the people" feel or want. This is 100% USFS, and, unfortunately, they could care less what we want or feel is important. Having delt with them on many issues, I can assure you that their goal is to remove as many people from OUR forest as possible, including loggers, hikers, cabin owners, OHVs,and ranchers. The USFS is very political so there is no way to keep politics out of this. If you do your research on proposed forest management plans in the Stanislaus, you will find that a majority of them never came about due to "lack of funds". But they seem to have plenty of funds to hire an excessive amount of personnel that don't do anything to look out for our forest. Good luck.
Wow, it is obvious by reading the comments here that there isn't mutual ground in this county. I think the view on these issues is usually distorted from the far left or the far right and until people begin to move toward the middle it will be impossible to see things clearly. I am sure that the forest services deals with many issues of which we are not privy to. Everyone wants government agencies to provide all of the services that they demand on one hand and complain about every penny spent by the government on the other. Make up your mind for gripes sake.
Decades of fuel build up led to this devasting fire ( Well one mans ignorance as well) our future forest plans need to include thinning and responsible logging. Fire needs to be brought back to the landscape...it is a natural part of the ecosystem in a healthy forest...this was not a healthy forest. I am an environmentalist and prologging...hows that one for shaking up stereotypes. ;) I hope not only the man responsible for his careless actions gets proper punishment...but how about whos in charge of keeping our forests 'healthy'? Aka...the forest service. The park service already learned with the Yellowstone fire and changed their policies...I hope the usfs follows suit.
They are doing it to our schools..our military...all of social services.
Slowly encroaching..it the common man/woman finds no recourse, but to be sheep.
What is the long term enviormental damage caused by this fire? Decades of silt and ash in our waterways? How did miles of dozers lines and hundreds of large trucks impact forest and meadows? I'm just asking, because isn't an initial shock and awe fire offense less enviormentally damaging than a massive containment defense later on. What is the long term damage to our economy caused by this fire? We have an amazingly large % of this county that will not attract tourism for decades! How many local businesses already struggling will find the decrease in visitors to our county the final blow that causes them to close? So again I ask, is a quick response less costly overall than a more measured one?
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