This fire is still burning so next year Cal-fire will have a bigger budget not because there is a lack of resources. When are the people in this country, not just this state going to learn we need to invest some money in preventing fires so we don't have to waste so much putting them out.
@RogerAlderman, CAL FIRE budget is not based on the amount of acreage burned in previous years. It comes from the State, and they do not use the previous years fire activity to make the budget every year. Plus the Rim Fire is a USFS fire, and they are in Unified Command with CAL FIRE due to the threat to the SRA and also because CAL FIRE focuses a lot of time and effort on structure protection. Each agency is very good at what they do, so why bash them?
are you accusing that they are intentionally allowing this to put our homes and families in danger? i do not beleive that for a minute. have you personally ever had the need to put out a fire? not exactly the easiest task, especially when fueled consistently. The firefighters take great pride in the fact that they give 100%....you should be ashamed of yourself rogeralderman.
Those are called taxes, people in this county don't like those, from what I've read in these forums over the years.
Hopefully the Forest service will start managing OUR
forests better. They need to thin out and allow managed
logging in so that we don't see millions of dollars of
lumber and our beautiful forests go up in smoke.
For a great map and info on the fire go to:
http://wv.enplan.com then click on rim fire bottom right.
Maybe taking a look at some clear cuts and selective thinning !
The tree huggers can not deny the devastation there anti logging
approach has had on trees , wild life , homes , and the economy !
How many Yosemite toads died in this fire ? How many deer , bear ,
and other animals not to menschen the watershed .
It has less to do with the "tree huggers" and more to do with the current forestry practices that go back a century. Long, long before the "tree huggers" were around.
With the exception of destruction of personal property, this fire in the long run will benefit the forest more then the "clear cuts and selective thinning" ever could or will. This is nature at work. It's a natural part of the ecosystem and is needed to maintain the overall health of the forest. For thousands of years, wild fires was nature's way of cleaning the underbrush and trees and the cycle of life would begin again. Humans have moved into the areas where nature does it's thing and we come into conflict. Wildlife, plant, insect life etc, will have the chance to flourish like they have'nt in a long time.
I don't think roger implied they are letting anything burn on purpose. I agree with him that more can be done each year to prevent millions on the fires. A little preventative maintinence like you car.
The fire response on the Rim Fire has been phenomenal. No way our communities could put together enough resources to fight this fire without the help of the State and Federal government. Sorry, but a time like this shows how much we need them.
Smokin Aces- As a wild land fire fighter I get to see on a first hand basis of what happens during a large fire. YOU'RE WRONG. Having hundreds of dozer push fire line for miles around the line, millions of gallons being taken out of streams and meadows being turning into safety zones. Large fires like this will scar the landscape for a lifetime. Good forest management could have prevented this fire. The USFS has taken Tuolumne County hostage for not managing their lands. This fire will cost over $50 million to suppress and cost local business millions of dollars in lost revenue. More destruction will take place on USFS over the next few weeks than any logging operation could in a lifetime.
When a 50 acre green meadow gets pushed into a parking lot is that good on the ecosystem?
Clear cuts in the right way slow these fast burning fires .
Fires do have there place . and clear cuts will not stop wild fires .
But give fire fighters better access to open ground . The 70's was not a 100 years ago . There are many more homes and lives in the forest and rural areas than ever before and they have some right to sensible forest
management even though most probably loved all there trees and brush .
It all comes down to the Floral Service dropping the ball on this one. This is burning the same area that the Complex fire did in 1987. The USFS did nothing to prevent another fire in the area, e.g. fire breaks, brush reduction, reforestation, or removal of dead trees from the Complex fire. They have gone into a preservation mode and not a management mode as they were originally intended to do to take care of our forest. It is not "their" forest, to be run the way "they" want it, but it is "our" forest in which we have no say in how it should be managed. The Floral Service is more worried about sexual harassment than they are about the health of "our" Forest. MI Wok Ranger district had a Forestry Department of 15 people, and now it has 2. What does that tell you.
I can already see that this story like the others is another blame game and finger pointing contest... In other news... Ed's in twain Harte is having a town hall meeting... We are drinking all the flammables!
My point is when the fire trucks and dozers are five miles from the nearest flames what are they fighting? If for example I have 100 men at my disposal and I'm working on a job that needs 75 is it responsible to send 10? You may argue that they are protecting homes, but wouldn't they still be protecting your home by actually putting the fire out. I have nothing against firefighters or anyone else. I just believe that John Q public is being fleeced. Monitoring a fires progress and extinguishing it are to different things?
Wyeast...very well said and from eyes of experience....it's use less though,these folks that get their Facts from the likes of Gore have it all figured out...I dont know where they figure we should get our wood products...I guarantee they live in a wood home....also the same people who gripe and complain about control burns!
@rogeralderman Obviously you know nothing about fighting wildland fires or the area the fire is in. First of all you cant just drive a fire engine or a dozer for that matter to the fire due to the nasty terrain that most of this fire is in. Second there is no way fire crews can directly fight this fire with the amount of heat its putting off. This is why there is so much aircraft in the air trying to slow it down. As for the engines and other equipment staging in the area...if they have a significant wind change (which is hard to predict) and the fire heads towards the thousands of homes to the north of the fire then they will be ready to save homes. If it was that easy to just "put the fire out" it would have already been done.
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